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      Hei!<br>
      <br>
      Jututin metsuria talvella, kun olivat talomme kohdalla menossa,
      että voisiko hän ehkä  kaataa istuttamamme kolme suurta tyrniä.
      Ovat kesällä yltäpäältä karhunköynnöksen peitossa. Kasvoivat myös
      kaupungin maalla. Lupasi kysyä mestarilta. Mestari oli vastannut,
      että ei missään tapauksessa. No, ne piti kaataa sitten itse. Olen
      pannut merkille, että metsuri on  jättänyt täällä,  ilman  eri
      kyselyä, koivupökkelöt paikoilleen. <br>
      Hyvä niin.<br>
      <br>
      Kävelin tänään ensi kerran alkuperäisen "Mustasuon asuinalueen
      harvennustyömaan" alusta loppuun. Matkaahan  on tuollaiset n.300
      m. <br>
      Minusta näytti tosi hyvältä. Suuret koivut,kuuset,männyt ja haavat
      erottuivat  hyvin komeina yksittäisinä puina. Parista kohdasta oli
      avattu kuin " ikkunana" näkymä metsän sisään. Sieltä näkyi nyt
      lisää komeita yksittäisiä kilpikaarnamäntyjä. <br>
       Taas hyvä niin.<br>
      <br>
      Pihalla jututin naapurin Timoa. Kysyin mitä hän ajattelee tästä
      lopputuloksesta.<br>
      Hän sanoi, että hienolta näyttää. Jatkoi, että eihän tässä
      tarvitse  olla mitään aarniometsää. Puistometsä on hyvä.<br>
      Tuleepa mieleen, että kun "omat pojat" tekee raivauksia linnuston
      hyväksi , niin ei kuulu poikkipuolista sanaa, mutta kun kaupungin
      metsurit tekee kaupunkilaisille suunniteltuja puistojen pusikkojen
      raivauksia, niin ei näillä sivuilla hyvää näe juuri kukaan . Mutta
      kuten A-P jo   aikaisemmin sanoi " kaupungissa on monenlaisia
      mielipiteitä".<br>
      Ja taas hyvä niin.<br>
      <br>
      Rassaankohan taas verta nenästäni <span class="moz-smiley-s7"><span>:-\</span></span><br>
      <br>
      tavantallaaja <br>
      Helge<br>
      <br>
       <br>
      9.3.2017, 9:27, Ari-Pekka Auvinen kirjoitti:<br>
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        <p>Jututin joulukuun alussa Vauhtipuiston ja pyörätin välin
          savottaa tehnyttä metsuria. Pyysin häntä jättämään ainakin
          kaikki Vauhtipuiston takaisen pienen aukeaman reunalla olevat
          koivupökkelöt, ja näin hän tekikin. Luulisin, että aina
          kannattaa mennä juttelemaan metsureille tuollaisissa
          tapauksissa. Mutta ei höykkäävästi, tietenkään.</p>
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        <p>Sinänsähän sekin oli omin silmini ihan turha harvennus. Mutta
          kaupungissa on tietysti monenlaisia mielipiteitä, ihan
          tavantallaajillakin.</p>
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        <p>A-P<br>
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              face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi">pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi">&lt;pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi&gt;</a> on behalf of Annamari
              Markkola <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:annamari.markkola@oulu.fi">&lt;annamari.markkola@oulu.fi&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:30 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Jukka Piispanen; 'Risto Tornberg'<br>
              <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pply@lists.oulu.fi">pply@lists.oulu.fi</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Pply] Fwd: VL: Mustasuon asuinalueen
              harvennustyöt</font>
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            <p>hei, kaupungin omien metsurien työllistämisen voisi hyvin
              hoitaa vaikka ohjaamalla metsien miehet kunnostamaan ja
              huoltamaan Sangille ja muille kaupungin luontokohteille
              retkeilyreittejä.  Siellä riittäisi kyllä työtä.</p>
            <p><br>
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            <p>Hietasaaressa oli tosiaan kans harvennettu aivan
              tökerösti Vauhtipuiston ja pyörätien väliä. Kun kerran on
              hyväksytty suunnitelma, jonka mukaan kaikki Hietasaaren
              metsät harvennetaan muutaman vuoden välein , niin näköjään
              sitten joka kerta harvennetaan myös vanhempaa puustoa eikä
              tyydtä pelkaästään vesakoihin. Tuolla saattaa olla joku
              ulkopuolinenkin firma tekemässä.  Tuomea metsurit eivät
              tunne tai sitten aivan tahallaan kaatavat ne roskapuina. </p>
            <p><br>
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            <p>Kaupungin metsänhoitotouhu on senkin vuoksi aivan
              sietämätöntä, että  siihen kuitenkin periaatteessa pitäisi
              voida meidän sekä asiantuntijoina että asukkaina pystyä
              vaikuttamaan. Vielä astetta hullumpaa menoa on tietysti
              yksityismetsissä ja siellä vaikutusmahdollisuudet ovat
              aika olemattomat: viikonloppuna paljastui, että kotikyläni
              toinen liito-oravareviiri, joka löytyi muutama vuosi
              sitten tehdyssä osayleiskaavan luontoselvityksssä, oli
              kasattu siisteihin pinoihin  tien varteen. Samaisessa
              metässä on huudellut myös viirupöllö, ja mehiläishaukka on
              pesinyt siinä jossain lähistöllä. <br>
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            <p>t. Am <br>
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                  color="#000000"><b>Lähettäjä:</b>
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi">pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi</a>
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi">&lt;pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi&gt;</a> käyttäjän
                  puolestaJukka Piispanen
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jukka.piispanen@palolapiispanen.fi">&lt;jukka.piispanen@palolapiispanen.fi&gt;</a><br>
                  <b>Lähetetty:</b> 8. maaliskuuta 2017 16:12<br>
                  <b>Vastaanottaja:</b> 'Risto Tornberg'<br>
                  <b>Kopio:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pply@lists.oulu.fi">pply@lists.oulu.fi</a><br>
                  <b>Aihe:</b> Re: [Pply] Fwd: VL: Mustasuon asuinalueen
                  harvennustyöt</font>
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                    <span style="font-size:11.0pt;
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                      color:#1F497D">Eli siis menoilla.</span></p>
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                    <span style="font-size:11.0pt;
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                    <b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
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                      font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Risto
                      Tornberg [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ristotorn@gmail.com">mailto:ristotorn@gmail.com</a>]
                      <br>
                      <b>Lähetetty:</b> 8. maaliskuuta 2017 15:39<br>
                      <b>Vastaanottaja:</b> Jukka Piispanen
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jukka.piispanen@palolapiispanen.fi">&lt;jukka.piispanen@palolapiispanen.fi&gt;</a><br>
                      <b>Kopio:</b> Helge Eskelinen
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:helge.eskelinen@dnainternet.net">&lt;helge.eskelinen@dnainternet.net&gt;</a>;
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pply@lists.oulu.fi">pply@lists.oulu.fi</a><br>
                      <b>Aihe:</b> Re: [Pply] Fwd: VL: Mustasuon
                      asuinalueen harvennustyöt</span></p>
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                        Joo ei noilla tuloilla tietenkään mitään
                        merkitystä ole. Ainoa "hyöty" lienee
                        työllistäminen ja semmoisen perustelun itse
                        asiassa olen teknisen puolen virkamieheltä
                        saanutkin. Tuokin Iinatin alue olis olut ihan
                        omiaan suojelualueeksi. Siellähän on mm komea
                        säästiö, jonka vanhimpien puiden ikä on yli 200
                        v. Muistaakseni lintulajistokin oli
                        monipuolinen. 30 vuotta sitten oli
                        pohjansirkkuja, homötinttejä, töyhtötinttejä ja
                        taisin havaita pensassirkkalinnunkin. Pyykanta
                        oli vahva. Olis ollut kiva toistaa laskennat
                        mutta keskeisin osa metsästä on nyt pinossa.<br>
                        Risto</p>
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                        8. maaliskuuta 2017 klo 9.33 Jukka Piispanen
                        &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" style="color:
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                          href="mailto:jukka.piispanen@palolapiispanen.fi"
                          target="_blank">jukka.piispanen@palolapiispanen.fi</a>&gt;
                        kirjoitti:</p>
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                                color:#1F497D">Itsekin olen hiihdellyt
                                Iinatissa ja nähnyt murheellisen isot
                                hakkuut. Kaupungin talous ei taida
                                kuitenkaan taajamatsien hakkuilla
                                kohentua. Linkin takana on selvitys
                                taajamametsien hakkuista ja hoidosta
                                sekä kustannuksista. Vaikka selvitys on
                                vanha, lienevät hoitotulojen ja menojen
                                suhde nykyisin aika lailla sama.  Sen
                                perusteella kaupungin talous kohenisi
                                 parhaiten luopumalla taajamametsien
                                ”hoitamisesta” kokonaan.</span></p>
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                              <b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
                                  font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Lähettäjä:</span></b><span
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                                <a moz-do-not-send="true" style="color:
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                                  href="mailto:pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi"
                                  target="_blank">
                                  pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi</a>
                                [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  style="color: blue; text-decoration:
                                  underline;"
                                  href="mailto:pply-bounces@lists.oulu.fi"
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                                <b>Puolesta </b>Risto Tornberg<br>
                                <b>Lähetetty:</b> 8. maaliskuuta 2017
                                8:13<br>
                                <b>Vastaanottaja:</b> Helge Eskelinen
                                &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                  href="mailto:helge.eskelinen@dnainternet.net"
                                  target="_blank">helge.eskelinen@dnainternet.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                <b>Kopio:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  style="color: blue; text-decoration:
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                                  href="mailto:pply@lists.oulu.fi"
                                  target="_blank">
                                  pply@lists.oulu.fi</a><br>
                                <b>Aihe:</b> Re: [Pply] Fwd: VL:
                                Mustasuon asuinalueen harvennustyöt</span></p>
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                                  Jonkin verran on Kalevan
                                  tekstaripalstalla kauhisteltu
                                  raivaustoimia IInatin hiihtolatujen
                                  ympäristössä. Ajatelin, että entisen
                                  golf kentän ympäristön tiheitä
                                  kuusikoita on harvennettu. Kun viimein
                                  pääsin suksille tälle talvelle ja
                                  suuntasin Iinattiin, niin tilanne
                                  valkeni, suorastaan iski vasten
                                  kasvoja. Siellä on avohakattu kaksi
                                  valtavaa kaistaa varttuneen kuusikon
                                  keskelle. Väliin ja reunoille on
                                  jätetty pitkiä kuusia, joista suuri
                                  osa tulee kaatumaan tulevissa
                                  myrskyissä. Alue on erittäin suosittu
                                  ulkoilupaikka, jossa itsekin kartoitin
                                  lintuja 30 vuotta sitten. Mikä tätä
                                  kaupunkia oikein vaivaa? Aiotaanko
                                  täällä ihan oikeasti paikata kaupungin
                                  taloutta metsien hakkuilla.</p>
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                                Risto</p>
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                                  6. maaliskuuta 2017 klo 19.21 Helge
                                  Eskelinen &lt;<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true" style="color:
                                    blue; text-decoration: underline;"
                                    href="mailto:helge.eskelinen@dnainternet.net"
                                    target="_blank">helge.eskelinen@dnainternet.net</a>&gt;
                                  kirjoitti:</p>
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                                        6.3.2017, 15:56, Helge Eskelinen
                                        kirjoitti:</p>
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                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Hei!</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt"> </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Puskista
                                          puheenollen. </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Olen
                                          tullut siihen tulokseen, että
                                          puskia taitaa olla vähintään
                                          kahdenlaisia.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Toivottavia
                                          ja toivottomia ( siis ei
                                          toivottavia) :)</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Olen
                                          tavannut molempia.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Olen
                                          ollut mukana kolme kertaa PPLY
                                          :n puskien raivaus talkoissa.
                                          Kerran Oritkarin rannassa,
                                          jossa piti kaataa
                                          rantapusikoita muistaakseni
                                          kultasirkun pesimisbiotoopin
                                          parantamiseksi.
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Hyvin
                                          kaatuivat ja paloivat.
                                          Kultasirkuista ei tietääkseni
                                          ole vielä havaintoja.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Kaksi
                                          kertaa olimme ahkeria
                                          Hietasaaren rannassa. Hyvin
                                          kaatuivat sielläkin tuollaiset
                                          ranteen paksuiset, komeaksi
                                          ehtineet pajut. Helppoja
                                          kaataa, harvassa kun olivat.
                                          Nyt piti tulla tilaa
                                          lapinsirreille. Hyvin paloivat
                                          nekin puut.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Muutamia
                                          vuosia myöhemmin kävin
                                          katsomassa miltä siellä
                                          silloin näytti.
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Hyvin
                                          näytti pajut menestyneen. Nyt
                                          oli paikalla tiheä,
                                          läpikävelemätön pusikkoviita.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Jokaisen
                                          pajun kanto, jonka olimme
                                          kaataneet aikaisemmin, puski
                                          nyt tuollaiset 15 uutta
                                          vartta.
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Nyt jo
                                          miehen mittaisia. Meri näkyi
                                          vielä joistakin väleistä,
                                          lapinsirreistä ei
                                          ensimmäistäkään.
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Mutta
                                          eväät olivat takoissa hyvät.
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Kyllä
                                          kannatti lähteä savottaan.
                                          Nythän on niin, että puskat
                                          näyttää toisinaan olevan hyviä
                                          ja haluttuja, toisinaan joutaa
                                          karsia pois.
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Sehän
                                          riippuu vain katsojan
                                          maailmankuvasta. Tai
                                          silmälasien väristä.</p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Mutta
                                          puut ovat komeita. Ne pitää
                                          säästää.
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt"> </p>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;
                                          margin-bottom:.0001pt">Terv.
                                          Helge</p>
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                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          6.3.2017, 11:07, Harry Nyström
                                          kirjoitti:</p>
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                                              Moi,</p>
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                                              Ongelma näyttäisi jälleen
                                              olevan se, että ne, jotka
                                              haluavat puiden ja
                                              pusikoiden säilyvän, eivät
                                              hoksaa erikseen kertoa
                                              siitä, kun eivät tiedä
                                              niiden olevan uhattuina.
                                              Sen sijaan pusikon ja
                                              puiden "vihaajat"
                                              laittavat kärkkäästi
                                              viestiä eteenpäin, jos
                                              haluavat jotain
                                              poistetuksi. Kuten Juhakin
                                              totesi, tällöin muut
                                              osapuolet jäävät asiassa
                                              aina kuulematta.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Siinä olisikin aikamoinen
                                              homma laittaa viestiä
                                              kaikista viheralueista,
                                              jotka haluaisi säilyttää
                                              koskemattomina...</p>
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                                            -Harry</p>
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                                              6. maaliskuuta 2017 klo
                                              11.00 Juha Markkola &lt;<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                style="color: blue;
                                                text-decoration:
                                                underline;"
                                                href="mailto:jmarkkol@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank">jmarkkol@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                              kirjoitti:</p>
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                                                      Hei,</p>
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                                                    Tässä saamani
                                                    vastaus ja
                                                    lisäkommenttini.</p>
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                                                  tv. Juha Markkola</p>
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                                                          ----------
                                                          Edelleenlähetetty
                                                          viesti
                                                          ----------<br>
                                                          Lähettäjä: <b>Juha
                                                          Markkola</b>
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          style="color:
                                                          blue;
                                                          text-decoration:
                                                          underline;"
                                                          href="mailto:jmarkkol@gmail.com"
target="_blank">jmarkkol@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          Päiväys: 6.
                                                          maaliskuuta
                                                          2017 klo 10.58<br>
                                                          Aihe: Re: VL:
                                                          Mustasuon
                                                          asuinalueen
                                                          harvennustyöt<br>
                                                          Vastaanottaja:
                                                          Niemelä Riitta
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          style="color:
                                                          blue;
                                                          text-decoration:
                                                          underline;"
                                                          href="mailto:Riitta.Niemela@ouka.fi"
target="_blank">Riitta.Niemela@ouka.fi</a>&gt;</p>
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                                                          Hei,</p>
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                                                          Kiitos
                                                          nopeasta
                                                          vastauksesta!
                                                          Suunnitelma ei
                                                          vaikuta
                                                          pahalta.
                                                          Ihmettelen
                                                          kuitenkin
                                                          hiukan, miksi
                                                          yksittäisten
                                                          ihmisten
                                                          puunkaatopyynnöt
                                                          otetaan niin
                                                          sujuvasti
                                                          huomioon,
                                                          mutta puiden
                                                          pystyssä
                                                          pitäminen on
                                                          paljon
                                                          vaikeampaa.
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Tässä
                                                          tapauksessa
                                                          tuskin on
                                                          tosiaan mitään
                                                          ongelmaa,
                                                          mutta näitten
                                                          pyyntöjen
                                                          esittäjien
                                                          toive voisi
                                                          olla aivan
                                                          erilainen kuin
                                                          muiden
                                                          lähialueen
                                                          asukkaiden, ja
                                                          jos muita ei
                                                          kuulla,
                                                          lopputulos voi
                                                          olla muille
                                                          (ja luonnolle)
                                                          huono.
                                                          Pääsääntöisesti
                                                          asutuksen ja
                                                          meluvallin
                                                          väliä ei pidä
                                                          ohentaa, koska
                                                          tiheä puusto
                                                          pysäyttä pölyä
                                                          ja hiljentää
                                                          autojen, mm.
                                                          nastojen
                                                          ääntä, joka
                                                          kaartaa
                                                          meluvallin
                                                          yli. Meillä
                                                          koivumetsä
                                                          alkaa selvästi
                                                          suojata
                                                          paremmin, kun
                                                          lehti puhkeaa.
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                                                          terveisin</p>
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                                                          <span
class="m-1946766476259911027m7162500133461883007m-5639872882505169266hoenzb"><span
style="color:#888888">Juha Markkola</span></span></p>
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                                                          6. maaliskuuta
                                                          2017 klo 10.31
                                                          Niemelä Riitta
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          style="color:
                                                          blue;
                                                          text-decoration:
                                                          underline;"
                                                          href="mailto:Riitta.Niemela@ouka.fi"
target="_blank">Riitta.Niemela@ouka.fi</a>&gt; kirjoitti:</p>
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                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Alla vastaus
                                                          kysymykseesi.
                                                          terv. Riitta</span></p>
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font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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                                                          <b><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">Lähettäjä:</span></b><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"> Niemelä Riitta
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b>Lähetetty:</b>
                                                          6. maaliskuuta
                                                          2017 10:28<br>
                                                          <b>Vastaanottaja:</b>
                                                          'Lauralotta
                                                          Muurinen'<br>
                                                          <b>Aihe:</b>
                                                          VS: Mustasuon
                                                          asuinalueen
                                                          harvennustyöt</span></p>
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                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Hei,</span></p>
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                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Alla
                                                          karttakuva
                                                          suunnitellusta
                                                          työalueesta.
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                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Moottoritien
                                                          puolella
                                                          harvennetaan
                                                          pientä
                                                          vesakkoa
                                                          eräiden
                                                          vanhojen
                                                          mäntyjen
                                                          ympäriltä n.
                                                          0,1 ha:n
                                                          kokoiselta
                                                          alalta. Tätä
                                                          toivoi eräs
                                                          alueen asukas.</span></p>
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                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Viiritien
                                                          päädystä
                                                          katsoen ladun
                                                          toisella
                                                          puolen. Siinä
                                                          kohden on
                                                          metsässä
                                                          muutamia
                                                          jyhkeitä
                                                          mäntyjä.
                                                          Asukas esitti,
                                                          että jos
                                                          vesakot siitä
                                                          raivataan,
                                                          tulevat männyt
                                                          paremmin
                                                          esiin.</span></p>
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                                                          Roman&quot;,serif;">
                                                          <span
                                                          style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Emäpuuntien
                                                          pohjoispuolella
                                                          poistetaan
                                                          vesakkoa
                                                          kulkuväylän
                                                          varsilta n. 5 
                                                          m leveydeltä
                                                          metsän
                                                          reunasta ja
                                                          kevarin ja
                                                          ladun
                                                          väliseltä
                                                          pieltä
                                                          alueelta
                                                          poistetaan
                                                          myös muutama
                                                          nuorehko
                                                          mänty. terv.
                                                          Riitta</span></p>
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