Olli,
I agree with what you are saying, the point I was making was perhaps poorly made (I wanted by that stage in the email to be leaving for home).
VBW,
Lloyd
To equate succeeding in science to being able to have your own group, or more, is analogous to equating succeeding in industry to being able to have your own company. Both admirable accomplishments that must take a lot of continuing hard work. However, people can have different goals. Being able to do good work with interesting subjects is one, and it doesn't necessarily require round the clock dedication. I would not say that those who reach the latter goal and not the first have not succeeded in science. What is important in life is ultimately a matter of personal valuation.
-olli